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| Sep 4, 2014 at 12:28 | history | edited | Sebastien Palcoux | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Sep 17, 2013 at 20:30 | answer | added | Amir Asghari | timeline score: 12 | |
| Sep 15, 2013 at 14:47 | comment | added | fedja | @Mark Meckes "though if I drove 30 miles south right now I'd be in the Pyrenees" Not a bad place for a conversation either :-). I guess I should visit Europe too sometimes though I will, most likely, go to Barcelona and then it'll be 170 miles North for me... | |
| Sep 15, 2013 at 12:51 | comment | added | Mark Meckes | @fedja: I think you're being rather too modest in your personal role in "understanding correctly". Maybe we can compromise and agree that in any case the song was more than "inspiration" but still less than a "source". I'd be happy to talk more about the subject with you sometime, though if I drove 30 miles south right now I'd be in the Pyrenees. | |
| Sep 13, 2013 at 12:26 | comment | added | fedja | @Mark Meckes In both cases it was more than "inspiration". Understood correctly, it was a full solution modulo routine (for a professional analyst) technical details. If we go into inspiration, the list will be endless. Renyi said that a mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems but he mentioned only the fuel, not the raw material consumed by this machine. Starting at some point, you take in just everything (like any other good artist) and see the whole world as inspiration. If you want, we can talk more about that when you drive 30 miles South or I go 30 miles North :-). | |
| Sep 13, 2013 at 11:12 | comment | added | Mark Meckes | @fedja: I don't think François meant you must also report all your sources of inspiration. | |
| Sep 12, 2013 at 1:20 | comment | added | François G. Dorais Mod | @ScottMorrison: Really? They didn't suggest using footnotes or something else? | |
| Sep 12, 2013 at 0:09 | comment | added | Kim Morrison Mod | @FrançoisG.Dorais, interestingly, I've had a journal (PNAS) reject, in any form, a citation to notes published on a web page. | |
| Sep 11, 2013 at 23:00 | answer | added | Alexandre Eremenko | timeline score: 9 | |
| Sep 1, 2013 at 15:20 | comment | added | fedja | "In academia, you must adequately report all your sources no matter what or where they are" Ah-oh, given that I got the key idea for one lemma from a Russian street song with words not quite suitable to reproduce in print and another from a friend who, in my student years, challenged me to compete who can say more of abacabadabacabaeaba... without mistake or a break to inhaling (no jokes: he second paper can be found at arxiv.org/abs/1008.3077 and the connection is obvious, though I'll abstain from demonstrating the first one), I'm in big trouble now... | |
| Aug 30, 2013 at 20:08 | comment | added | François G. Dorais Mod | I don't think "acceptable" really makes sense here. In academia, you must adequately report all your sources no matter what or where they are. If you make use of an equation from a graffiti on a pillar of the Brooklyn Bridge, then you have to figure out a way to cite it. A journal may require a specific mechanism for unusual citations but they can't reject the citation itself. | |
| Aug 30, 2013 at 17:29 | answer | added | Gerald Edgar | timeline score: 10 | |
| Aug 30, 2013 at 16:54 | comment | added | Sebastien Palcoux | @darijgrinberg : I'm sorry to have been unclear on this point. So what do you think now ? | |
| Aug 30, 2013 at 16:50 | comment | added | darij grinberg | @SébastienPalcoux: When you wrote "acceptable", the last thing I had expected was for it to mean "accepted by publishers". | |
| Aug 30, 2013 at 16:11 | comment | added | fedja | Perhaps, but what choice do they have? You always can just copy (with all required attributions, etc.) the corresponding part of the discussion into the paper and say that it is the only source currently available, so no "respectable reference" is forthcoming within the next several years. Of course, like with every other citation, you have the responsibility to check that the argument you cite is correct and here you cannot rely on the "historical acceptance" and on other people doing this work for you. | |
| Aug 30, 2013 at 15:18 | history | edited | Sebastien Palcoux | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
I add peer-review journal.
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| Aug 30, 2013 at 15:17 | comment | added | Sebastien Palcoux | @darijgrinberg : But everyone can post a paper on arxiv with MO's reference, this does not show that it's acceptable. Acceptable means accepted for a peer-review journal. Perhaps some journals accept and others not, in this case, which ? | |
| Aug 30, 2013 at 15:14 | comment | added | Sebastien Palcoux | @TobiasKildetoft : oh ok, I understand. | |
| Aug 30, 2013 at 15:08 | comment | added | Tobias Kildetoft | I think you may have misunderstood what @darijgrinberg meant. I think he meant that there are several papers on the arXiv which reference MO (in the same way one would reference another paper), not that there is a paper specifically about MO. | |
| Aug 30, 2013 at 12:36 | comment | added | Sebastien Palcoux | @darijgrinberg, yes thanks. Here is the arxiv's paper (4 May 2013) : What does mathoverflow tell us about the production of mathematics? | |
| Aug 30, 2013 at 12:29 | comment | added | darij grinberg | The part about citing MO posts has been effectively answered by the multitude of references to MO in existing mathematical papers (do a search on arXiv). | |
| Aug 30, 2013 at 12:00 | comment | added | Tobias Kildetoft | The part about citing MO posts has been discussed before, either here or on tea (I will try to dig up the relevant posts when I have the time unless someone does it before I get around to it). | |
| Aug 30, 2013 at 11:17 | comment | added | Sebastien Palcoux | @AmirAsghari : if you prefer, the second question is a specialization of the first, in the sense that something is "acceptable" if it's accepted by the community. So the views of the mathematical community contains this acceptability. What do your colleagues respond to you, are they curious, unconcerned, afraid ? Is there a natural difference between your young and old colleagues ? | |
| Aug 30, 2013 at 11:15 | answer | added | Jon Bannon | timeline score: 16 | |
| Aug 30, 2013 at 11:02 | comment | added | Amir Asghari | Your post includes at least two questions that are somehow unrelated. When I talk to my non-MO colleagues, I usually tell them it is very interesting forum, in particular, if you use one question per post! :) | |
| Aug 30, 2013 at 10:19 | history | edited | Sebastien Palcoux | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Aug 30, 2013 at 9:50 | history | asked | Sebastien Palcoux | CC BY-SA 3.0 |