Timeline for Deletion of on-topic comment threads
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| May 15, 2021 at 8:53 | comment | added | Dima Pasechnik | @YCor "deletion by moderators of comments" means: "deletion (of implicitly understood something) by moderators of comments". Surely that's not what you meant. OK, I should apologize for dwelling on this. | |
| May 15, 2021 at 8:34 | history | edited | Asaf KaragilaMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| May 15, 2021 at 4:37 | comment | added | Martin Sleziak | I have to say that I am also a bit surprised to see that this post was manually removed from the Hot Meta Posts. Previously I only found one such instance on this meta - in that case it seemed warranted. (It was the nomination thread and it happened at the time when the nomination phase of the election was over.) | |
| May 14, 2021 at 20:40 | comment | added | YCor | @StefanKohl your choice of title doesn't fit the intended question (it is strictly broader — for instance I had written "I'm not addressing the case of polemical comments or disputes moved to chat such as this question, or deleted."). Since you're involved in this story and since it's hard for me to revert a moderator action, I feel you should have refrained to done so. | |
| May 14, 2021 at 20:15 | comment | added | Dima Pasechnik | "deletion of comments by moderators" might be ambiguous, but grammatically correct. "deletion by moderators of comments" is grammatically incorrect. Anyway, moving mathematical comments to a chat effectively ends the discussion, as TeX maths in chats is broken. | |
| May 14, 2021 at 19:40 | history | removed from hot meta posts | Stefan KohlMod | ||
| May 14, 2021 at 19:39 | history | edited | Stefan KohlMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Prompted by a flag, let me clarify the title in order to resolve the content dispute.
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| May 14, 2021 at 17:18 | history | edited | YCor | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
fixed title
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| May 14, 2021 at 17:17 | comment | added | YCor | @FedericoPoloni I was aware of this while initially writing the title: my opinion is that moving a conversation to chat is a kind of deletion. | |
| May 14, 2021 at 10:42 | comment | added | YCor | @bathalf15320 As a non-native I'm pretty sure I corrected many natives (writing such things as "would of", or "it's" in lieu of "its"...) and also any editor here is not supposed to know who's native and who's not. I've also asked natives about precise points, with distinct answers. As regards the title, I think both options are grammatically correct, but I'm not that sure. This digression might deserve deletion by moderators at some point :) | |
| May 14, 2021 at 9:50 | comment | added | bathalf15320 | It's not English that is weird, it is non-native english speakers correcting natives. | |
| May 14, 2021 at 6:30 | history | edited | Dima Pasechnik | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| May 13, 2021 at 23:44 | comment | added | Gerry Myerson | @Dima, "deletion of comments by moderators" is ambiguous. If you don't like "deletion by moderators of comments," how about "moderators deleting comments"? Or maybe a couple of commas would work, "deletions, by moderators, of comments"? | |
| May 13, 2021 at 22:01 | comment | added | Dima Pasechnik | wrong word order. I know, English is weird, but I've been speaking it non-stop for ~30 years. | |
| May 13, 2021 at 18:12 | comment | added | YCor | @DimaPasechnik why did you change the title? it was changed after a comment spotted the ambiguity of deleting (comments by moderators), which is not important but anyway the formulation "deletion by moderators of comments" seems correct. | |
| May 13, 2021 at 16:26 | history | edited | Dima Pasechnik | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| May 11, 2021 at 10:20 | comment | added | Todd Trimble Mod | @FedericoPoloni Yes, indeed, that has happened. But I can't recall a case where someone both assembled a bunch of comments into an answer and flagged to have comments removed. | |
| May 11, 2021 at 6:17 | comment | added | Federico Poloni | @ToddTrimble Thanks; this makes sense. I don't know about the flagging, but converting comments to answers (even someone else's) has precedents: this search returns several examples. | |
| May 11, 2021 at 0:35 | comment | added | Todd Trimble Mod | @FedericoPoloni That's never happened as far as I can remember, but someone incorporating comments into a (CW) answer is itself not likely to be unwelcome. How the flag is handled would be on a case-by-case basis. I don't think I can give a blanket answer that would cover all cases. "Hard cases make bad law." | |
| May 10, 2021 at 6:47 | comment | added | YCor | @FedericoPoloni I'm not a moderator but I think participants can provide their opinion too: I'd most likely view it as a "stubborn way to go against the opinion of the community". By the way, "incorporating the contents" can imply some improvements, or the contrary, adding errors, etc, omitting some crucial point, not insisting on the main point, etc. It most likely omits the date/time of posting the comment, which is a piece of information. | |
| May 10, 2021 at 6:40 | comment | added | Federico Poloni | Follow-up question for @ToddTrimble and the moderators: suppose someone edits the question and writes a CW answer incorporating the content of the comments, and then flags them for deletion as "no longer necessary". Would that be considered a positive contribution, or a stubborn way to go against the opinion of the community? Is there an additional value in the 'Socratic' nature of those comments that you wish to preserve, or would that content be presented equally well (or better) if formulated as an answer without the back-and-forth? | |
| May 8, 2021 at 5:01 | comment | added | Martin Sleziak | @ToddTrimble Shouldn't you post your comment as an answer? Just in case somebody deletes it or moves it to chat. :-) (Just pointing out the irony. Seeing that the most upvoted answer refers to your comment, it was difficult to resist.) To include also some useful content in this comment, I will add a link to the Wiktionary entry for sui generis - I guess there might be some users (like me) for whom this might be helpful. | |
| May 7, 2021 at 18:22 | answer | added | Stefan KohlMod | timeline score: -6 | |
| May 7, 2021 at 18:21 | answer | added | Stefan KohlMod | timeline score: -25 | |
| May 7, 2021 at 18:21 | answer | added | Stefan KohlMod | timeline score: 45 | |
| May 7, 2021 at 15:31 | comment | added | Noah Snyder | Todd's comment seems great, and my earlier comment isn't intended to disagree with it. I think the previous moderator practice of occasionally using this tool in the situations Todd outlines is great. (Essentially I see it as situations where those comments should probably be deleted, but it's more transparent to just move them to chat, since deleted comments aren't even visible to high rep users.) | |
| May 6, 2021 at 16:31 | comment | added | Todd Trimble Mod | My own attitude has been to be relaxed about comments if there is a real mathematical (and collegial, cordial) conversation going on, but to move chat threads when they become contentious or go off the topic rails. I tend to agree with the idea that MO is somewhat sui generis among SE sites, and not all the "usual SE rules" need be followed to the letter. | |
| May 5, 2021 at 20:31 | history | edited | YCor | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
fixed title for possible ambiguity
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| May 5, 2021 at 17:44 | comment | added | bathalf15320 | Shouldn't the title be "Deletion by moderators of comments" or perhaps "Moderators' deletion of comments"? | |
| May 5, 2021 at 17:18 | answer | added | Federico Poloni | timeline score: -16 | |
| May 5, 2021 at 16:39 | comment | added | Noah Snyder | Personally I don't like the whole SE "move comments to chat" thing at all. If the comments are bad they should be deleted, and if they're ok then they're not doing any harm sitting there minimized. | |
| May 5, 2021 at 12:51 | history | became hot meta post | |||
| May 5, 2021 at 10:47 | comment | added | Stefan Kohl Mod | The purpose of moving a conversation in comments to chat is not suppressing it, but rather moving it to a more suitable place (at least as far as I can tell, this is SE's intention behind the possibility to move a comment thread to chat). However, I quite understand if people feel different about this. Some related discussion (on Math.SE's meta) can be found here. As to the post in question, I undeleted the comments again. | |
| May 5, 2021 at 10:11 | comment | added | Martin Sleziak | In case somebody wants to see where comments were moved to chat, here is a query which shows comments containing "moved to chat": main, meta. (The status from the last update of SEDE.) | |
| May 5, 2021 at 9:53 | comment | added | Gerry Myerson | I'd say the comments in that example are more than just "instructive". They truly advance understanding of the mathematics. I hope some knowledgeable user will edit the question to reflect the progress that now is available only in the chat (or delete the question entirely, if that seems like a better idea). | |
| May 5, 2021 at 9:34 | history | asked | YCor | CC BY-SA 4.0 |