Timeline for Why have I been suspended from the ICM chat? General remarks about unwelcoming behaviour on MathOverflow
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| Aug 21, 2020 at 17:00 | comment | added | Gjergji Zaimi | @RodrigodeAzevedo I am as against americentrism as one can be, yet I want all mathematicians to have a decent chance at feeling welcome here. That includes american mathematicians. In order to do so I think it is a good idea to discourage hate symbols no matter which country they are problematic in. No one implied that the US is getting preferential treatment here in that regard. I am confused as to what gave you that impression. | |
| Aug 21, 2020 at 14:55 | comment | added | Harry Gindi | @TimCampion This is exactly why we need to be apolitical. I hope if it came to it, we would also remove communist or anarchist or national flags as avatars. Your MO profile is not a place to advertise your personal politics. | |
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| Aug 21, 2020 at 14:42 | comment | added | Tim Campion | @RodrigodeAzevedo To state the obvious, the norms for what your friend may decorate their house with are different from the norms for what anybody may use as an avatar on a public internet forum, particularly one such as MO whose focus is on mathematics -- not symbology. Confederate flags and swastikas are both inappropriate on MO. Your comments strike me as trollish, and I don't plan to engage with you any further here. | |
| Aug 21, 2020 at 13:35 | comment | added | Francesco Polizzi | " Nonetheless, I still do not understand why American social norms should dominate MO." Well, maybe just to annoy you. | |
| Aug 21, 2020 at 11:21 | comment | added | Tim Campion | As for Rodrigo de Azevedo, your comments here have been very ill-informed and distracting. If you insist on rehashing these old debates about hate symbols, at least go read the old meta questions first. I can't figure out what you were trying to get at in your extended exchange with Nik Weaver above, but remember that comments are not the place for extended discussion. @Patriot your actions certainly will haunt you so long as you are unapologetic about them, for a start. | |
| Aug 21, 2020 at 10:32 | comment | added | Francesco Polizzi | Well, let us discuss this next decade, when it will happen. For the moment, I would rather concentrate to avoid what is perceived offensive by people nowadays. | |
| Aug 21, 2020 at 10:22 | comment | added | Francesco Polizzi | There is a behaviour A (not using these symbols) that do not offend anyone here. There is a behaviour B (using them) that offends a considerable part of the users. Since MO is not devoted to the discussion of political issues, choosing deliberately B instead of A is the precise definition of "looking for flames" and "having a disruptive way of conduct". | |
| Aug 21, 2020 at 10:02 | comment | added | user145520 | @RodrigodeAzevedo I think Mr. Polizzi's point might be that if for a given symbol there is a sizeable portion of the population that is offended by it then it is to be avoided (even if some other sizeable portion of the population feels excited about it). Also the Novorossiya flag doesn't have stars on it (and Patriot's avatar had them). Did your Hindu acquaintance's symbolics look exactly like the Nazi flag by the way? It usually differs slightly (which makes all the difference in the world). | |
| Aug 21, 2020 at 9:57 | comment | added | Francesco Polizzi | @RodrigodeAzevedo: I usually explain things once. I'm not your teacher, so I do not feel the obligation to let you understand the basics of civil behaviour. | |
| Aug 21, 2020 at 9:56 | comment | added | Lucian | There is a biological basis for racism and sexism. - I suspect the former as well; men, after all, have been in enmity with various other living species since the dawn of humanity; whatever psychological or neurological mechanism is at play there, it seems to sometimes misfire, and be misapplied, by the brain or psyche, from an inter-species context to an intra-species one, among members of its various races; though, it's not clear why one would post such observations on a math site; seems better suited for (evolutionary) psychology & neuro-science. | |
| Aug 21, 2020 at 9:52 | comment | added | Francesco Polizzi | Sorry, I think I am unable to explain this to you in a simpler way. I cannot have an exchange with someone that deliberately moves the focus of the discussion, so I will stop this conversation here. | |
| Aug 21, 2020 at 9:47 | comment | added | Francesco Polizzi | Bacause, again, here you also interact with american people that are uncomfortable with them. Since discussing politics is not the primary scope of MO, persisting in adopting such symbols, also after you were gently asked to remove them, is a strong sign that one is looking for flames and wants to act in a disruptive manner. | |
| Aug 21, 2020 at 9:36 | comment | added | Francesco Polizzi | That said, which part of my comment they create flames and sense of uneasiness, so their usage should be avoided here is not clear? | |
| Aug 21, 2020 at 9:34 | comment | added | Francesco Polizzi | @RodrigodeAzevedo: well, I'm sure your Hindu will not be allowed to use his swastikas in Berlin. Especially if they turn clockwise and are black on white-and-red background. But you can try yourself, if you do not believe me. | |
| Aug 21, 2020 at 9:11 | comment | added | Francesco Polizzi | In the same way, comments like "there is a biological basis for racism and sexism", whatever the intention is, make many people uncomfortable. They evidently have a disruptive effect on the community, and create flames and sense of uneasiness. For this reason, their usage here should be avoided. | |
| Aug 21, 2020 at 9:08 | comment | added | Francesco Polizzi | @Patriot: "a Confederate flag is arguably not a hate symbol". It was already explained to you that it is actually possible to identify it with a hate symbol, and that in fact it is often associated with the white supremacist movement. This makes many people uncomfortable with it, so its usage here should be avoided. | |
| Aug 21, 2020 at 7:18 | comment | added | Patriot | As for previous history, a Confederate flag is arguably not a hate symbol. Even so, it's been removed a long time ago, coupled with numerous accusations of me being a nazi, White supremacist, troll, and slavery apologist. How long do these accusations need to haunt me? And as for "Patriot" being provocative too, well, I guess that exemplifies the political sentiments increasingly pervading in academia. | |
| Aug 21, 2020 at 7:13 | comment | added | Patriot | Nothing that Dylan observed actually happened, and you leave out that he used it as a leverage to blame the "bunch of white people" of fragility and white supremacy. Dylan saw an evil Devil's advocate that didn't even exist, and I gave in to the temptation of filling in that role. Given that, as you acknowledge, I never attempted to justify racism or sexism, I'd even go as far as saying that I erred on the cautious side in taking up that role. | |
| Aug 21, 2020 at 3:54 | history | edited | Tim Campion | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Aug 21, 2020 at 3:40 | history | answered | Tim Campion | CC BY-SA 4.0 |